Poisons that share the blade with sharpening stones, axes in Rogue hands, and a Sap that keeps you hidden. Assassination · Combat · Subtlety.
71 Rogue changes that alter play — new and reworked abilities, mechanics and talents — each shown against its Classic Era 1.15.9 form. Not listed: tooltip-only wording, rank-count changes, and sub-threshold numeric drift.
Poisons carry more charges in Forever and can be applied at the same time as temporary weapon enchants like sharpening stones. Classic Era made you choose.
One-handed axes are learnable by Rogues in Forever — a new weapon class for the class.
[Mutilate]! is a new Assassination talent at row 5, and [Venom]! caps the tree at row 7.
Dagger, Fist Weapon, Mace and [Sword Specialization]! are gone as separate talents. All four merge into [Hack and Slash]!, a new Combat talent at row 5.
[Sap]! no longer breaks Stealth in Forever, and no longer has a chance to pull you out of it either.
[Thousand Cuts]! caps Subtlety at row 7; [Quietus]! (row 6) sits directly above it.
Every remaining change, grouped by kind. Hover a name for its tooltip; hold Shift for the Classic Era side.
Cost changed.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Cost | 35 Energy | 35 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
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| Classic Era | Forever | |
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| Cost | 25 Energy | 25 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
Duration and tooltip text changed.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Duration | — | 10 sec |
| Text | …the attention of all nearby monsters for 10 seconds. Does not break stealth. | …the attention of all nearby enemies and reducing their Stealth detection as if they were… |
Cost and tooltip text changed.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Cost | 35 Energy | 35 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
| Text | …Attack Power: 1 point : 224-332 damage 2 points: 394-502 damage 3 points:… | …Attack Power: 1 point : [dynamic]-[dynamic] damage 2 points: [dynamic]-[dynamic]… |
Expose Armor's reduction now matches 5 stacks of Sunder Armor, and it no longer blocks Sunder Armor from other Warriors.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Cost | 25 Energy | 25 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
| Text | …target for 30 sec, reducing armor per combo point: 1 point : 340 armor 2 points:… | …target for 30 sec, reducing Armor per combo point: 1 point : 0 Armor 2 points: 0… |
Cost changed.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Cost | 25 Energy | 25 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
Cost and tooltip text changed.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
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| Cost | 25 Energy | 25 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
| Text | …combo point: 1 point : 272 damage over 8 secs 2 points: 380 damage over 10… | …combo point: 1 point : 280 damage over 8 secs 2 points: 525 damage over 10… |
Cost and tooltip text changed.
| Classic Era | Forever | |
|---|---|---|
| Cost | 25 Energy | 25 Energy, 1 Combo Points |
| Text | …combo point: 1 point : 9 seconds 2 points: 12 seconds 3 points: 15 seconds … | …combo point: 1 point : [dynamic] seconds 2 points: [dynamic] seconds 3… |
Not in the Forever client.
Expose Armor's reduction now matches 5 stacks of Sunder Armor, and it no longer blocks Sunder Armor from other Warriors.
Dagger Specialization is covered as a headline — see Headline Changes ↑
Fist Weapon Specialization is covered as a headline — see Headline Changes ↑
New talent. Combat, row 4, 1 rank.
Era talent; no Forever counterpart.
Mace Specialization is covered as a headline — see Headline Changes ↑
New talent. Combat, row 2, 3 ranks.
Sword Specialization is covered as a headline — see Headline Changes ↑
New talent. Subtlety, row 6, 5 ranks.
Era talent; no Forever counterpart.
New talent. Subtlety, row 2, 2 ranks.
New talent. Subtlety, row 3, 2 ranks.
Era talent; no Forever counterpart.
Era talent; no Forever counterpart.
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Row 2 → 1.
Row 5 → 4.
Max ranks 5 → 3.
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Row 5 → 4.
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Row 3 → 2.
Tree Assassination → Combat.
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Tree Combat → Assassination.
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Max ranks 3 → 2.
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Max ranks 5 → 3.
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Max ranks 5 → 2.
Max ranks 5 → 3.
Row 7 → 4.
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Row 4 → 2.
Row 7 → 5 · Max ranks 1 → 2.
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Not listed: 4 of 75 entries, excluded by category (tooltip-text-only: 4).
Build Combo Points with a generator, then spend them on a finisher. Forever’s numbers, not Era’s.
Hover a name anywhere on this page for its real tooltip: [Mutilate]! is the Assassination 21-point milestone, moved up the tree in Forever, and [Venom]! is new at 31.
Three trees, 51 points at level 60. Rows unlock every 5 points spent across the build; milestones at 11, 16, 21 and 31 points; capstones at 30. Click a node to spend — hover for its tooltip, with the next rank shown while it is unmaxed.
Click to spend · Shift-click or right-click to remove. A tier unlocks at 5 points per tier spent across the build; ◆ marks the 11/16/21/31-point milestones. Arrows show only the prerequisites present in the client TraitEdge data (8 of 53 talents here) — a prerequisite must be at max rank.
Talent-granted spells only. Trainer-taught baseline spells are not listed.
Setup only adds Combo Points from the Rogue’s current target.
Poisons gain charges and coexist with weapon stones; one-handed axes become learnable; Sap stops breaking Stealth; Expose Armor matches 5-stack…
Rogue Poisons will no longer incorrectly activate against targets attacking the Rogue.
Every batch, every reversion, every value — set against Classic Era 1.15.9.
